Why is it that Women are allowed to kill their children with little more than a slap on the wrist??? I've heard stories recently of women who have drowned their babies and walked away from court free of any jail time.... http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/ ... 99207.html Yet if you find that a man did something similar that they would spend life in prison. Now let me be clear that I am not complaining that a man spends his life in prison for such a thing, but rather that women get away with it on a regular basis by claiming postpartum depression or other mental illness. There is even a story out there about a woman who micowaved here baby...how sick is that. I hope she rots in prison, but I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't, claiming the same defense...depression or mental illness. I can't believe that anyone can physically think of putting a baby in a microwave, and then doing it, without some rational thought. I knew the guy that you may of heard of, just outside of Green Bay, WI, that rammed his truck into two police officers sitting in their car clocking speeders. He claimed that he suffered from schizophrenia, which he did, but it did him no good, as he was convicted of the two murders. At least what he did was spontanious, something that is required in my mind to plea "insane". Again, I'm not complaining about the punishment he received, but rather the ones that are let go, mainly because they are women, and we seem to have some simpathy for them, even when we shouldn't. I say give them life in prison just like you would any guy who kills a defenseless baby, as they deserve. My wife was in tears the other day hearing about the woman who microwaved her baby, because it is so cruel, and so senseless, expecially when she knows someone who so desperately wants a child and can't have one, and is caught up in the adoption process because of stupid legal reasons. Yet this woman kills her baby because....I don't know, maybe she is mad because the dad isn't around, or maybe she is depressed. Either way it's not an excuse.
I would like to see everyone treated the same for such crimes, because anyone can say "hey, I'm depressed" but that's no excuse for killing a baby, or anyone else.
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Its not only that. Take for example, the women teachers who sleep with students.
Two of them have been convicted and not served jail time.
Lets see a 30 year old man banging his 14 year old student girl, and watch the judge tell him "hes too pretty to go to jail".
Two of them have been convicted and not served jail time.
Lets see a 30 year old man banging his 14 year old student girl, and watch the judge tell him "hes too pretty to go to jail".
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Woman who kill their husbands are acquitted 13% of the time
Men who kill their wives are acquitted a bit over 1% of the time
"Baby blues
Remember Sheryl Lynn Massip, a mother in her mid-twenties who murdered her 6-month old son by crushing its head under the wheel of the family car? Massip systematically covered up the murder until she was discovered. Then she testified that she suffered from post-partum depression, or "baby blues."
Her sentence? Treatment.
Mothers do get the baby blues. As do dads. Were the husband to kill his baby, as Sheryl Lynn did, it is unlikely that we would just treat him for baby blues or Save the Marriage Syndrome. Why does her version of baby blues allow her to receive treatment for child murder, when he would receive life in prison for child murder, with or without baby blues?
The terrible twos
Josephine Mesa beat her 2-year-old son to death with the wooden handle of a toilet plunger. She buried the battered child in a trash bin. When scavengers found the boy outside her Oceanside, California apartment, she denied she knew him. When the evidence became overwhelming, she confessed.
The excuse? She was depressed. The child was going through the terrible twos.
The punishment? Counselling, probation and anti-depressants. She never spent a day behind bars."
Men who kill their wives are acquitted a bit over 1% of the time
"Baby blues
Remember Sheryl Lynn Massip, a mother in her mid-twenties who murdered her 6-month old son by crushing its head under the wheel of the family car? Massip systematically covered up the murder until she was discovered. Then she testified that she suffered from post-partum depression, or "baby blues."
Her sentence? Treatment.
Mothers do get the baby blues. As do dads. Were the husband to kill his baby, as Sheryl Lynn did, it is unlikely that we would just treat him for baby blues or Save the Marriage Syndrome. Why does her version of baby blues allow her to receive treatment for child murder, when he would receive life in prison for child murder, with or without baby blues?
The terrible twos
Josephine Mesa beat her 2-year-old son to death with the wooden handle of a toilet plunger. She buried the battered child in a trash bin. When scavengers found the boy outside her Oceanside, California apartment, she denied she knew him. When the evidence became overwhelming, she confessed.
The excuse? She was depressed. The child was going through the terrible twos.
The punishment? Counselling, probation and anti-depressants. She never spent a day behind bars."
RoamingMadness wrote:Its not only that. Take for example, the women teachers who sleep with students.
Two of them have been convicted and not served jail time.
Lets see a 30 year old man banging his 14 year old student girl, and watch the judge tell him "hes too pretty to go to jail".
Was watching Bill Maher last season, and in his "new rules" section, he showed photos of some of the more attractive women teachers who had slept with boys and his rule was not to call the boys "victims", but to call them "lucky bastards". Now frankly, I think he's right. Modern society refuses to acknowledge any fundamental differences between males and females, but there are. In the case Roam sites above... the 14 YO girl is most likely going to have fallen prey to either emotional manipulation or threats, while a 14 YO male will believe he has conquered something significant. One has emotional scars, the other has a notch on his bed, and tales to tell his college buddies.
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I think you're assuming the male rapes the 14 year old girl.
Regardless. Same law. VASTLY different punishment.
Regardless. Same law. VASTLY different punishment.
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I totally agree, the laws are scewed.. Same here in Sweden.
Btw, we just had a huge sex-scandal here in Sweden. A guy, in his forties and one of my old teachers from 7-9:th grade, had an affair with a 14 year old girl. Got caught in the act, and even tho it was "love" he's gonna rot in jail for it. In sweden, all sex with minors (<15) is considered rape, nevermind it being consentiual(sp?).
Btw, we just had a huge sex-scandal here in Sweden. A guy, in his forties and one of my old teachers from 7-9:th grade, had an affair with a 14 year old girl. Got caught in the act, and even tho it was "love" he's gonna rot in jail for it. In sweden, all sex with minors (<15) is considered rape, nevermind it being consentiual(sp?).
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to believe that a 14 y/o boy has the mental capacity to understand what the grown woman is doing (manipulating) is absurd mikey, and to make general statements that say "well, the girl was almost 100% of the time raped" is bullshit as well. 15 and 16 year old girls are having sex on purpose all the time, and A LOT of htem have little fantasies about their male teachers..especially some of the more attractive ones liek the football/baseball coaches.
The brain hasn't fully developed for either sex by the age of 14 or 15, and they are STILL easily manipulated by others. Frankly, it's apalling that you're actually on the other side of hte fence on this, and you're upholding this double standard. It's bullshit. Guys are as easily manipulated as girls are....and *BOTH* sexes are 100% capable of having sex with an adult because they think they want it...
The brain hasn't fully developed for either sex by the age of 14 or 15, and they are STILL easily manipulated by others. Frankly, it's apalling that you're actually on the other side of hte fence on this, and you're upholding this double standard. It's bullshit. Guys are as easily manipulated as girls are....and *BOTH* sexes are 100% capable of having sex with an adult because they think they want it...
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Well, I wasn't talking about whether they were manipulated or not. I just don't believe that many 14-15 YO boys are later either going to show any serious psychological effects, regrets, etc. from the incident, while I reckon most girls would. Unless there's some indication these boys later develop some sort of deviancy or something.
I'm not saying its not wrong, nor is it a crime. I just happen to think there's a huge difference in emotional and physical impact, is all.
I'm not saying its not wrong, nor is it a crime. I just happen to think there's a huge difference in emotional and physical impact, is all.
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the way you made it sound is they are LUCKY to be taken advantage of by a predator...which is wrong. they are not. Its a very bad way of putting it... and its not because guys are more apt not to regret it, they are simply modeled after stereotypes of gender roles....
It doesn't make the act any different whether a grown up woman sexed a boy, or a grown ass man sexed a girl.... the crime is adn should be held to the same standards regardless.....otherwise we end up in a less than equal society (which is how it is now anyways, but for those who push for equality, they should take responsibility and take the good with the bad ala the draft etc etc.)
It doesn't make the act any different whether a grown up woman sexed a boy, or a grown ass man sexed a girl.... the crime is adn should be held to the same standards regardless.....otherwise we end up in a less than equal society (which is how it is now anyways, but for those who push for equality, they should take responsibility and take the good with the bad ala the draft etc etc.)
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I think I'd have to agree with styro. Just reading through this whole stinkin' site and this subject caught my eye. i think women and men should be held to the same standard in all accounts of the law. But there is one thing to remember, post-partum depression isn't like normal depression. it's a temporary state of psychosis induced by a lack of chemicals the brain needs to function in a healthy way. It's kind of like the crack addict killing someone while on withdrawls. they go through 9 months of these hormones that are suddenly devoid. I, however, do NOT think that this situation, depression of any sort, should exempt a woman from a sentence that would just as quickly be dropped on a man. You killed a person that was under your care. Whether they be young or elderly, they should be protected.
Now, onto the teacher subject. Women can be deviants. Women can be sexual predators. People need to get over this thought of "oh, well, she was abused as a child and was digressing to experience love from this 13 year old boy". Screw that. Throw the nut in prison. Right now. I don't care if the boy put it on his myspace that it was the ride of his life. He WILL show damage later on. It might not be evident until he is significantly older, but it will show. We teach our children to trust and obey us, the police, and their teachers. Any type of sexual contact distorts that trust and forever affects the psychosis of the child, no matter the age or sex.
Now, onto the teacher subject. Women can be deviants. Women can be sexual predators. People need to get over this thought of "oh, well, she was abused as a child and was digressing to experience love from this 13 year old boy". Screw that. Throw the nut in prison. Right now. I don't care if the boy put it on his myspace that it was the ride of his life. He WILL show damage later on. It might not be evident until he is significantly older, but it will show. We teach our children to trust and obey us, the police, and their teachers. Any type of sexual contact distorts that trust and forever affects the psychosis of the child, no matter the age or sex.
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Mikey, if you ask most psych researchers, they'll tell you that pubescent girls mature emotionally much faster than their male counterparts, so if either sex is more likely to be prepared (emotionally) at that age, it's probably the girl. Add to that fact that many girls these days are seeing promiscuity as a virtue and a way of expressing gender equality and female liberation, and little Suzy is at least as likely to notch her bedpost when she gets home as little Bobby would.Mikeyrat wrote:Well, I wasn't talking about whether they were manipulated or not. I just don't believe that many 14-15 YO boys are later either going to show any serious psychological effects, regrets, etc. from the incident, while I reckon most girls would. Unless there's some indication these boys later develop some sort of deviancy or something.
I'm not saying its not wrong, nor is it a crime. I just happen to think there's a huge difference in emotional and physical impact, is all.
That said, you've got to be one fucked up bastard to mess up a kid's life like this. It's bad enough that they're diddling eachother so young, we don't need to add the emotional baggage of a lopsided sexual escapade with an authority figure. They should throw the book at these assholes.
On the moms killing babies front:
The only reason I can see for a judge to try to keep a mother out of prison after she's aborted her child in the ninth or fifteenth trimester is that criminals generally look down on other criminals that take advantage of the young or old. And these mothers might not live to get out of prison.
Sometimes you really have to wonder about the feasibility of an elephant deflowering a fly...
The Mac wrote:On the moms killing babies front:
The only reason I can see for a judge to try to keep a mother out of prison after she's aborted her child in the ninth or fifteenth trimester is that criminals generally look down on other criminals that take advantage of the young or old. And these mothers might not live to get out of prison.
And that's a bad thing? They've already shown that they aren't fit to be members of normal society (father of 3 and a doctor here, know all about PPD). I don't actually think people in prison should be killed by other inmates, but on the other hand, I feel we give WAAAAYY too many rights to people who have shown they have no respect for the rights of others.
I'm still pissed that we let convicts vote.
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