Bad beat story...but that time I'm doing the beating.

Styrofoam · Post by **Styrofoam** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 12:10 pm

Was playing online last night and i get dealth 72 of clubs. A trash hand. But i'm up like 30 bucks, and i'm on the button, so i decide to play it. Whats more is i announce to the entire table "everyone watch out! I'm playing 7 2!" i limp in on the button. Well, mr. Small blind raises the button and makes it 30c to go. (playing .5 / .10 no limit). Big blind calls, gets around ot middle position and someone reraises to two dollars... NOW, a sensable person would throw this hand away, but like i said i'm up 30 dollars, and feeling loose. Besides, i announced the hand, and i plan on seeing it through. Everyone but the reraiser me and the small blind folds. (keep in mind that everyone at the table said "yeah right you're playing 72" after i called the over-bet.)

The flop comes 2d, Jc, 5c. I flop bottom pair and a flush draw. The small blind leads out and bets all in for like 8 dollars, and the reraiser comes in over the top for 12. The pot is laying me SUPER odds now with my outs being Any 2, 7, or club to improve to what i thought was the best hand. I make the call. The hands are turned over, and of course, i'm playing 72 - the small blind was JA offsuit, and the reraiser was KK. The turn however proved to be the best card to come. the 2 of hearts. I just made trip 2. Now, the only thing i have to avoid is 2 more jacks, and 2 more kings. Of course, the river comes trash, and i pick up the nearly 35 dollar pot cracking Kings with 72. Whats more, is the announcement that i was playing it. The guy uttered some profanity and left. Man, i love poker.

shortthang · Post by **shortthang** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 4:41 pm

you tend to do better when you play online...granted, you normally get too loose and lose it....but you normally win alot before that....

yay for winning poker

Styrofoam · Post by **Styrofoam** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 4:55 pm

During some down time at work i did the math...the ONLY bad play i made was the original call...the 2.20 bet pre-flop. When the Flop came, i had 15 outs...about a 42% chance to improve to the best hand. When AJ went all in, and the raiser went over the top of him, they made the pot odds Almost perfect for me to call. (getting 2.29:1 with 15 outs) and with 6.60 already in the pot, + ~12.60+ ~8.60 made it ~27.80 in the pot, making a call of 12.60 well within the odds the pot laid me. Besides, if the 2 hadn't shown up, i still could have hit the King of clubs to improve (after hte 2, the Kc would give the raiser a full house)... I don't feel so bad playing 72 that far. The guys complained at how i could call a 12 dollar bet with 72. I tried to explain pot odds to them, but they wouldn't listen. By the time the flop was dealt, it was nearly a coin flip for me or the raiser. The small blind with AJ was drawing nearly dead, and only had 4 outs (2 jacks and 2 aces, but not the A of clubs, since that would make me a flush).

Ah well. I think i won bluffing at the pot with 83 and 82 more times that i had actual winning hands. Reading "Super system" really improved my game. Playing selectively aggressive really sets up for big wins. I'll keep playing low no-limit games untill my bankroll will let me play the big ones. When i hit 200$ profit, i'll move up to .25 / .50 games, and if i beat those games, up to .50 / $1. It seems its alot easier to beat people out of hte pots online simply because they're much tighter players. Its easy to get a read on them. Then again, it could be the weak players playing at low limits too. We shall soon see.

RoamingMadness · Post by **RoamingMadness** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 4:59 pm

Whats more is i announce to the entire table "everyone watch out! I'm playing 7 2!"

This is one of my pet peeves i wish was enforced more games.

Rule No. 34 of the TDA (Tournament Directors Association) Rules, which are the rules that most major tournaments use.

"Players, whether in the hand or not, may not discuss the hand until the action is complete. Players are obligated to protect the other players in the tournament at all times. Discussing cards discarded or hand possibilities is not allowed. A penalty may be given for discussion of hands during their play."

Most commonly. This refers to the fact you may not give TRUE information away.

So by saying "I have a 7/2" its against the rules to have a 7/2. You may lie. That's not illegal. You may NOT tell the truth though. And if anyone ever beats you in a hand the way you won, you should protest the hand to death.

Styrofoam · Post by **Styrofoam** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 5:03 pm

i can understand in a tourney, but come on. Especially saying its 72? Its a bad beat. Besides, both players (KK in particular) played the hand correctly - but got drawn out on. The information given at the time "i'm playing 72" had no barring on the game whatsoever, and in fact - gave every player in that hand an advantage over me.

RoamingMadness · Post by **RoamingMadness** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 5:14 pm

Styrofoam wrote:i can understand in a tourney, but come on. Especially saying its 72? Its a bad beat. Besides, both players (KK in particular) played the hand correctly - but got drawn out on. The information given at the time "i'm playing 72" had no barring on the game whatsoever, and in fact - gave every player in that hand an advantage over me.

It's just the fact if you know the rule. It should be a lock that they DON'T have that hand.

RoamingMadness · Post by **RoamingMadness** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 5:19 pm

Styrofoam wrote:Reading "Super system" really improved my game. Playing selectively aggressive really sets up for big wins.

Am i the only person who thinks Super System is really outdated and almost none of the concepts apply?

At any rate. Unless i missed an out, you should have 14 of 47 odds to call, making the magic number just under 30% to win. With a $12 bet to you, and by my estimation about $38 in the pot. You're putting in a little over 31% of the pot.

A slight loss over time. And although originally i said this was a no brainer call. I was indeed, wrong.

The thing, although highly unlikely that pushes me over the top to folding this hand (not that i would have played it in the first place) is you have a 7 high flush. Which is where most of your percentage comes from. If this was a higher limit game, i would think this is nigh impossible. But people do tend to draw a lot more in nickle and dimes.

Edit: The $12 bet was all in which i missed the first time i read it, so when you factor the river card you are indeed correct in your call. But i still say if he wasn't all in you should have folded

Styrofoam · Post by **Styrofoam** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 5:56 pm

Like I said on AIM, he reraised all in for ~12.60 giving me roughly a 51% chance to catch an out on either card.